Spirituality — The Heal and Harm Show with Sabrina Scott

Artistic Creation, Ego Death, and Returning to Community | The Heal and Harm Show with Sabrina Scott episode 3 with Tarot Deck Creator Marisa de la Pena

In this episode of The Heal and Harm Show, I chat with amazing human and oracle and tarot deck creator Marisa de la Pena about her decks, why she took steps away from the spiritual, witchy, and tarot space, and what's inspired her to come back into the community after a few years away.

Marisa is the creator of Circo Tarot and the Persephone Tarot, and the How to Deal Tarot aquired by Harper Collins/Urban Outfitters.

We have a great conversation about Marisa's journey to tarot and magic, creating art as a way to work through pain and grief, moving away from ego, (and checking ourselves before e wreck ourselves), and the importance of moving back into the nitty gritty of spiritual work, and focusing on doing magic for/on ourselves.

We also talk about how punitive and policing aspects of the spiritual community have become, how to escape it, and how to re-enter community with what's truly important in mind. We talk about academia, the importance of using technology intelligently, and the vitality of becoming familiar with witchy/spiritual elders.

Spirituality, Creativity, Group Dynamics, TarotSabrina ScottMarch 2, 2026tarot, oracle cards, divination, ego death, community, toxicity

Ceremonial Magic, Political Division, and Shadow Work | The Heal and Harm Show with Sabrina Scott episode 1 with Nick from The Occult Rejects

On this FIRST EVER (!) episode of The Heal and Harm Show, I talk with Nick from the super popular Occult Rejects podcast and YouTube.

We discuss Nick's experience in the OTO (the good, the bad, and why he left), how he got into occultism, what inspired him to start The Occult Rejects, what he's learned along the way, as well as his big beefs with the occult community and advice for anyone seeking self improvement through occultism and magic.

I hope this will be a very interesting listen for my audience, especially since many of y'all are more familiar with witchy forms of magic, rather than ceremonial magic! ‪

Group Dynamics, SpiritualitySabrina ScottMarch 2, 2026ceremonial magic, oto, shadow work, political division, occult rejects, conspiracy